Doom 3: Why is Radeon X800 Series behind GeForce6?

[Leonidas]

link:
http://www.3dcenter.org/artikel/2004/07-30_english.php

[Tom564]

Perhaps you should start an other articel:

"Why 3dCenter Members can't speak and write English in a right way?"

[Gast]

Perhaps you should start to grow up.

[Maki]

@ Tom564: Guests also can't write correct ;)

@ Leonidas: It's a very interresting article.

[Leonidas]

Original geschrieben von Tom564
"Why 3dCenter Members can't speak and write English in a right way?"


Im tooo good in German :)

[Gast]

Tom564 does need to learn a little grammar himself. "In a right way"? Try, "cannot speak and write English properly". Also, his logic is horrible. Just because someone cannot write English correctly does not mean they cannot speak it correctly.

That said, the English translation of the article was very difficult to comprehend. Tom's response just needed better grammar...and better manners to match.

[Gast]

"In addition, Nvidia could have shown off quite some creativity in terms of replacing shaders."

Maybe they have shown some "creativity", but at what cost? Asheron's Call 2 isn't all that stable using Nvidia's "pixel shaders". A lot of people have shown that you have to turn them off to get the game running properly.

I'm not so sure I trust someone's creativity when they can't implement something correctly in the first place.

[Gast]

Disclaimer: I am not a fan boy either way, I own a 9800 Pro and a Geforce 6800 GT and I have no love for either company.

There is no problem with Nvidia optimising their drivers to run Doom3 so long as it doesn't change the imagel, just as there would not be a problem with ATI optimising their driver to run Half-Life2 without changing the output. Having a driver which can speed up a game transparently (as opposed to an "optimisation" which only works on a benchmark and actually changes the output) is clearly a good thing for owners of the card.

One thing that the article doesn't even refer to is the obvious difference in quality between the Nvidia OpenGL driver and the ATI equivalent - it's clear to anyone that ATI have focused their driver work on their DirectX driver at the detriment of the OpenGL driver whereas Nvidia have had a pretty solid and efficient OpenGL driver since Quake 2 days.

So between the OpenGL driver quality, the optimised early Z, the 32x0 and the improved NV40 shader architecture, I personally think the shader replacement would account for a small part of the performance differential between NV40 and R420 - but like the article author, I have no proof either way.

[aths]

One thing that the article doesn't even refer to is the obvious difference in quality between the Nvidia OpenGL driver and the ATI equivalent - it's clear to anyone that ATI have focused their driver work on their DirectX driver at the detriment of the OpenGL driver whereas Nvidia have had a pretty solid and efficient OpenGL driver since Quake 2 days.I don't played alot with my Radeon 9600, but the quality of ATI's OpenGL driver doesn't seemed that bad to me.

[Gast]

I don't played alot with my Radeon 9600, but the quality of ATI's OpenGL driver doesn't seemed that bad to me.

My mistake, I mean't to write "the obvious difference in performance between the Nvidia OpenGL driver and the ATI equivalent".

[hmx]

I dont think that Atis OpenGL driver ist worse than Nvidias. I think it looks like that bacause many OpenGL games use the Q3 engine and Geforces have always been faster there.

[Lawmachine79]

Perhaps you should start an other articel:

"Why 3dCenter Members can't speak and write English in a right way?"
Or maybe yet another article, called "The failure of Great Britain's educational system: why English pupils fail at pronouncing in their own language"

[Popeljoe]

Or maybe yet another article, called "The failure of Great Britain's educational system: why English pupils fail at pronouncing in their own language"
You see Warmaschine: this is the right way to response to somebody rude! ;)

[Lawmachine79]

You see Warmaschine: this is the right way to response to somebody rude! ;)

Yeah, I distributed some serious butt-rape. I completely ruined his shit.

Go pronounce my presence death and with my former title greet Macbeth.

I giveth and I taketh away.

And then I will stick my lance deep into the colon of my enemy.

[Lawmachine79]

Warmaschine:

OMFG U pr0n0unc3d "mach1n3" wr0ng...

[Gast]

@ Tom564: Guests also can't write correct ;)

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)

[Popeljoe]

OMFG U pr0n0unc3d "mach1n3" wr0ng...
Sorry, that was more a kind of mixture between Warmachine and Waschmaschine! ;D
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