In the footsteps of Alder Lake - The rise of SMALL cores

[Tralalak]

Hello everyone,

I'm proud to present you the first benchmark results of Intel's latest x86 Tremont QuadCore processor (Pentium Silver N6000 1.1GHz @ 3.3GHz Boost) and of course Zhaoxin's latest x86 lowest clocked OctaCore processor (KaiXian KX-U6580 2.5GHz).


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Acer Aspire 3 A315-35-P2FG (https://www.acer.com/ac/cs/CZ/content/model/NX.A6LEC.001)

vs

IEI KINO-KX-U6580-R10 Mini-ITX mainboard (https://www.ieiworld.com/en/product/model.php?II=739)



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The small cores will make up the big.LITTLE Intel Alder Lake processor (up to eight E-Cores Gracemont), so we follow in the footsteps of Alder Lake with the rise of small cores.

First of all. I remember that I have older unpublished data from 2015 when I and Loeschzwerg tested VIA QuadCore C4560 2.0GHz. So why not use them at the beginning...


Zhaoxin KaiXian KX-U6580 2.5GHz (16nm, 8C/8T, LuJiaZui)
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Intel Pentium Silver N6000 1.1GHz @ 3.3GHz Boost (10nm, 4C/4T, Tremont)
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vs


AMD Athlon 5350 2.05GHz (28nm, 4C/4T, Jaguar)
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VIA QuadCore C4650 2.0GHz (28nm, 4C/4T, Isaiah - C5R)
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Intel Atom N3150 1.6GHz @ 2.08GHz Boost 2.0GHz (14nm, 4C/4T, Airmont)
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From the older benchmark above, you can see Intel Tremont's massive IPC performance gain over the competition.

[w0mbat]

How does Tremonts IPC compare to e.g. Skylake?

[Tralalak]

I will gradually publish new benchmarks.
It's an open thread. Anyone can compare individual results with big cores.
It should be noted, that the Intel Pentium Silver N6000 (with four Tremont cores) have only 6W @ TDP

The second bench for today is Cinebench R11.5 also with older results.

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In another comparison, I tested the whole week Intel Pentium Silver and Zhaoxin KaiXian ...

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[basix]

How does Tremonts IPC compare to e.g. Skylake?

6700K @ 3.3GHz in CB11.5:
- MT = 7.8
- ST = 1.6

So IPC is not far off of Skylake.

[Tralalak]

6700K @ 3.3GHz in CB11.5:
- MT = 7.8
- ST = 1.6

So IPC is not far off of Skylake.

Yet, but I think that Intel Pentium Silver N6000 with only 6W TDP does not work all the time at 3.3GHz in single-core (single-threaded) benchmark in Cinebench because TDP limit.

[CrazyIvan]

@Tralalak
Great stuff and very interesting!
Now I finally understand why PES does not work with your machines. The support for your hardware has not yet been implemented by the OpenHardwareMonitorLib.dll.

[BlacKi]

with 6w tdp, the clocks still have 3.3ghz allcore boost?

on the skylake cpu you got 8mb L3 cache with hyperthreading, but the tremont core only have 4mb. and the alderlake cores will have like 30mb.

i am not sure, you will get the right conclusions, when you make assumption with these numbers.

[basix]

with 6w tdp, the clocks still have 3.3ghz allcore boost?

Obviously not, as ST score is 1.41 and MT score is 3.60. Even with mediocre 0.9x MT scaling the score should be >5.0.

N6000 does reach a similar Cinebench R20 score like a 3570K, which clocks at 3.8GHz Boost or a 6400 which clocks at 3.3 GHz Boost: https://cpu-comparison.com/de/intel-pentium-silver-n6000/

So depending on the application, even Tremont is close or on par with Skylake. If Gracemont adds +20%, the average IPC could be even higher than of Skylake. In my opinion pretty impressive stuff. Only SMT is missing, but exactly this might be one of the keys to optimize for best perf/watt and perf/area.

Edit:
Transistor / area comparison to Skylake would be interesting.

[Tralalak]

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[Tralalak]

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SiSoft Sandra Lite 2021.6.31.29
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[Tralalak]

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[Tralalak]

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Processor frequency in Geekbench 5.4.1
Intel Pentium Silver N6000 1.1GHz @ 3.3GHz (Boost) (https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/8835170.gb5)
Zhaoxin KX-U6580 2.5GHz (https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/8725036.gb5)



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[Tralalak]

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[BlacKi]

what about speedometer 2.0?
https://browserbench.org/Speedometer2.0/

[Twodee]

Yet, but I think that Intel Pentium Silver N6000 with only 6W TDP does not work all the time at 3.3GHz in single-core (single-threaded) benchmark in Cinebench because TDP limit.
Thx Tralalak for those comparison! Very nice.

Can you tell something about the power consumption of both system f.e. in cinebench ST and MT?

[rasti666]

I inform that:

Zhaoxin KaiXian KX-U6580 2.5GHz (16nm, 8C / 8T, LuJiaZui) has a TDP of 70W

and

Intel Pentium Silver N6000 1.1GHz @ 3.3GHz Boost (10nm, 4C / 4T, Tremont) has a TDP of 6 W;)

I did tests on my 10-year-old AMD FX-8300. The score is 18108 points.

[rasti666]

I did tests of my old VIA EPIA M900-12LQ motherboard with a VIA QuadCore L4700 processor (4 x 1.2 GHz). The result is 4938 points.



You can see that the Zhaoxin KaiXian KX-U6580 2.5GHz processor is 3.6x faster than the VIA QuadCore L4700 ;).

[Twodee]

I inform that:

Zhaoxin KaiXian KX-U6580 2.5GHz (16nm, 8C / 8T, LuJiaZui) has a TDP of 70W

and

Intel Pentium Silver N6000 1.1GHz @ 3.3GHz Boost (10nm, 4C / 4T, Tremont) has a TDP of 6 W;)
.

I know thats why I ask for the real values => TDP != Real world power consumption ;-)

[BlacKi]

i am not sure, if the pentium here has a pl2 state. so tdp is realworld power consumption of the cpu right here. mainboard and components will effect the numbers and tralak is testing the only cpus in this thread. but maybe i am wrong and he is able to to thest den power consumption of this laptop with inbuilt battery, which also leads to wrong numbers.

[Tralalak]

to rasti666: nice results with older VIA QuadCore L4700 :up:

what about speedometer 2.0?
https://browserbench.org/Speedometer2.0/
I'll test it. Thanks for the tip.

Thx Tralalak for those comparison! Very nice.

Can you tell something about the power consumption of both system f.e. in cinebench ST and MT?
I tested a great application from CrazyIvan Performance Efficiency Suite (PES) (https://www.forum-3dcenter.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=606794) but unfortunately it is not compatible with both processors. Never mind. I tested is with wattmeter. Stay tuned...

[Tralalak]

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source of ffmpeg test methodology: https://diit.cz/clanek/recenze-amd-ryzen-9-5950x-asus-rog-crosshair-viii-dark-hero/cpu-vykon-cpu-z-ffmpeg-kraken-7-zip-aida64

[Tralalak]

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Intel Pentium Silver N6000 1.1GHz - 3.3GHz (Boost)
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Zhaoxin Kaixian KX-U6580 2.5GHz
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[Tralalak]

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Intel Pentium Silver N6000 1.1GHz - 3.3GHz (Boost)
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Zhaoxin KaiXian KX-6580 2.5GHz
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BONUS:

Sniper Ghost Warrior Contracts 2 @ 2021

1080p HIGH Graphics Settings = perfectly playable and huge graphics


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[CrazyIvan]

I tested a great application from CrazyIvan Performance Efficiency Suite (PES) (https://www.forum-3dcenter.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=606794) but unfortunately it is not compatible with both processors. Never mind. I tested is with wattmeter. Stay tuned...

Yes, it is really sad. The library I am using does not yet support these CPUs. We could only either have a look at the sources of that library or hope that someone will integrate support in the near future. See: https://openhardwaremonitor.org/documentation/

[Tralalak]

what about speedometer 2.0?
https://browserbench.org/Speedometer2.0/
Clear domination of Tremont.



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Intel Pentium Silver N6000 1.1GHz - 3.3GHz (Boost)
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Zhaoxin KaiXian KX-6580 2.5GHz
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Intel Pentium Silver N6000 1.1GHz - 3.3GHz (Boost)
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Zhaoxin KaiXian KX-6580 2.5GHz
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Intel Pentium Silver N6000 1.1GHz - 3.3GHz (Boost)
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Zhaoxin KaiXian KX-6580 2.5GHz
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[BlacKi]

Clear domination of Tremont.
Intel Pentium Silver N6000 1.1GHz - 3.3GHz (Boost)
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i have set my clock of the 8700k to 3.3ghz and limited it to 4 cores 4 threads.


pentium got 85,4


8700k got 89.8


really close.

[dildo4u]

Ich finde die Werte erbärmlich Apple ist bei 200.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/16252/mac-mini-apple-m1-tested/2

Auch mit dem Handy SOC nicht nur M1.

[y33H@]

I was "lazy", but now my Jasper Lake 4C has arrived - will do some CPU benchmarks, including 2500K (Sandy Bridge) and 6600K (Skylake) for comparison.

[Twodee]

i have set my clock of the 8700k to 3.3ghz and limited it to 4 cores 4 threads.


pentium got 85,4


8700k got 89.8


really close.

R9 5900@ECO Mode

217 +/- 3.2

Aber variiert je nach Browser ganz schön. Lastet exakt 1 1/2 Kerne aus.

[BlacKi]

i got 10% more with 6 cores instead of 4. i will try some other browsers like edge.
got 158,4 with 12t@5ghz
107 with 4c4t@3.3

well that quite a lot faster.

[Twodee]

I pinned only two cores with highest prio to the chrome process for speedometer to reach this score. More cores same results.

[Der_Korken]

Speedometer seems to heavily rely on the browser:

Vivaldi: 137.9
Firefox: 151.0
Edge: 204.2

All on the same hardware.

[Tralalak]

:up::massa:Der_Korken: I used on both Google Chrome (64-bit).

I was "lazy", but now my Jasper Lake 4C has arrived - will do some CPU benchmarks, including 2500K (Sandy Bridge) and 6600K (Skylake) for comparison.
I'm already looking forward to the headlines: "Atom* und Bulldozer schlagen den Megacore" ;D

* Pentium J5005 (Goldmont+, 4C/4T, 1.5GHz - 2.8GHz)


However, the reality is completely different :weg: Even Tremont (Pentium Silver N6000) with four cores, a higher frequency and an excellent IPC of small cores (the best) cannot defeat the Centaur (Zhaoxin KX-U6580) lower-clocked eight-core processor. I think I've tested a lot of those benchmarks. Of course in single-core applications yes or browswer (java app). But today is the year 7/2021.

Just to avoid misunderstandings. Intel Pentium Silver N6000 is an excellent processor. And I'm excited about performance Tremont quadcores with only 6W TDP. :massa: Unbelievable :up: = The rise of small cores


P.S. And the near future: It looks like even eight "atom" cores* will look in to the rearview mirror and see 16 cores with 32 threads. Who would have said that a few years ago...

* of cource together with eight golden cove cores

[y33H@]

A lot of apps still depend on singlecore performance ;-)

[Tralalak]

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[Badesalz]

Hej Leute vielleicht bin ich grad auf dem falschen Dampfer, aber unter MS entfalten sich "Hybride" anscheinend erst unter dem Win11 Kernel...

[Tralalak]

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P.S. I'm not a PC player. I tried to play it. :smile:

[Tralalak]

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[CrazyIvan]

@Tralalak

I was just toying around with the source code from the OpenHardwareMonitorLib that I am using in order to get the CPU Package Power for PES.

And maaaaaaayyyybe I was able to add Jasper Lake support.
So here I have an experimental build of OpenHardwareMonitor: https://1drv.ms/u/s!AjaF8pHHvUFAi-h3bDfwJEhxXXmjsQ?e=fVjxWQ

Don't be afraid. It is only experimental in the way that it either now supports your CPU or it doesn't.

Please check if you can see your Pentium Silver CPU as a node with a sub-node called Powers and several sub-nodes with watt values.

[Tralalak]

Yes, it is now

Powers
CPU Package
CPU Cores
CPU Graphics
CPU DRAM

But PackagePower in LogCsv files PES is still without results.

[CrazyIvan]

Be patient. I need to apply the new library to PES first. You will hear from me soon.

[CrazyIvan]

Okay,

so this release is an Experimental release I have made just for you ;)
Please try: https://1drv.ms/u/s!AjaF8pHHvUFAi-h4lQUdikKpqd7qLA?e=sXN6Qw

[Tralalak]

Intel Pentium Silver N6000 1.1GHz ~ 3.3GHz

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Thank you!

P.S. what about Zhaoxin KaiXian KX-U6580 2.5GHz in experimental build ?

EDIT: second test without antivirus and windows update

[CrazyIvan]

Could you please upload the CSV files as well or send them to me by mail?
With regards to the Zhaoxin: Well, I don't know anything about that CPU. Regarding the Jasper Lake I basically just had to tell the application to handle it like a Tiger Lake. But the Zhaoxin is a whole different kind of beast - please don't hold your breath.

[y33H@]

Jasper Lake vs Core/Atom vs Snapdragon:

https://www.golem.de/news/jasper-lake-atom-im-test-intels-kleine-cpu-kerne-sind-schneller-als-gedacht-2108-158364.html

[Tralalak]

The results are a tax on the passive cooling of the Asus PN41 mini-PC. Performance could have been better with a quiet fan.

P.S. Why didn't you include small processor cores of Zhaoxin KaiXian KX-U6780A 2.7GHz (https://www.golem.de/news/zhaoxin-kx-u6780a-im-test-das-kann-chinas-x86-prozessor-2005-148364-3.html) in the result list?

[y33H@]

My Zhaxoin board was unfortunately stolen a few months ago.

And yes, I obviously would have preferred a Jasper Lake with 10W and active cooling.

[Loeschzwerg]

The fanless PN41 does have a hard power limit of 6W, which ASUS obviously also did to keep it cool without the need of a fan. Jasper Lake could probably do a lot more when given 10W.
Nonetheless the performance is very good and fast enough for casual web/office/media stuff.

Btw. there is an active cooled version of the PN41 with N6005 (10W), altough I haven't seen it on sale yet.

Thx for testing y33H@ :)

My Zhaxoin board was unfortunately stolen a few months ago.


What a pity ;(;( So much effort and money to get one.

[y33H@]

There was a break-in over new year's eve ... a lot of hardware is missing in our office since then 😞

Asus was only able to provide the fanless SKU - as I said, I would have preferred 10W with active cooling ... but well ^^

[Tralalak]

I am sorry about stolen.
But you still have thirty-two benchmark small cores results of KX-U6780A just like J5005 (https://www.golem.de/news/zhaoxin-kx-u6780a-im-test-das-kann-chinas-x86-prozessor-2005-148364-3.html).
That's why I don't understand.
But OK this is your review.

[y33H@]

The focus of that article was Intel x86 with Alder Lake coming soon, not a very unique Chinese solution ... that's also why AMD is missing in the benchmarks.

[Tralalak]

This is not a unique Chinese solution.
These are small cores from which both Zhaoxin and Intel in Alder Lake need performance and higher frequencies => higher TDP. Unlike Jasper Lake.

[y33H@]

Come on, these CPUs are meant for Chinese domestic systems - and that's why I call them a unique solution.

[Twodee]

P.S. Why didn't you include small processor cores of Zhaoxin KaiXian KX-U6780A 2.7GHz (https://www.golem.de/news/zhaoxin-kx-u6780a-im-test-das-kann-chinas-x86-prozessor-2005-148364-3.html) in the result list?
Is there a sub 10 Watt version available?

[Tralalak]

Come on, these CPUs are meant for Chinese domestic systems - and that's why I call them a unique solution.
Zhaoxin needed higher frequencies in eight cores up to 3.0GHz. It achieved this only at the expense of TDP and consumption at 16nm CMOS.
We will see what TDP and power consumption will be the eight high-speed Gracemont cores at Alder Lake at 7nm (10++nm).
Of course definitely better than Zhaoxin. But no longer 6W ~10W like as quadcore Jasper Lake at 10+nm.
In my opinion, this comparison is interesting.

example: Intel Atom® Processor C3758 (16M Cache, up to 2.20 GHz, 8C/8T, 25W TDP, 14nm)
Unfortunately, we do not know TDP by Intel Atom® Processor P5921B (9M Cache, 2.20 GHz, 8C/8T, 10+nm)


Is there a sub 10 Watt version available?
No, but the Intel Sandy Bridge i5 2500k with 95W TDP is in comparison.

[Twodee]

No, but the Intel Sandy Bridge i5 2500k with 95W TDP is in comparison.
Ya at the first part (IPC x86 compare) - at the interesting second part (with snapdragon) - the small core part - there are only sub 10 watt SOCs.

[Tralalak]

Gracemont

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jU_YhZ1NQA&t=601s

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source: https://wccftech.com/intels-new-e-core-gracemont-and-p-core-goldencove-architectural-deep-dive/
source: https://wccftech.com/intel-alder-lake-cpus-will-feature-88-core-design-and-a-massive-19-ipc-increase-over-11th-generation-cpus/

[Tralalak]

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[Tralalak]

The next small competitor will be AMD A9-9820 @ 2.33 GHz (8C/8T) "Xbox One Octa-Core" and here is sneak peek (https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/compare/8725036?baseline=9535423)

Thank you Jan Olšal from cnews.cz (https://www.cnews.cz/lide/jan-olsan/)

[y33H@]

I had a review a few weeks ago, including CPU benchmarks:

https://www.golem.de/news/funhouse-a9-9820-im-test-wir-haben-einen-xbox-one-chip-als-pc-genutzt-2106-157636.html

[Tralalak]

I had a review a few weeks ago, including CPU benchmarks:

https://www.golem.de/news/funhouse-a9-9820-im-test-wir-haben-einen-xbox-one-chip-als-pc-genutzt-2106-157636.html
I'm not surprised by the absence your results of Zhaoxin KaiXian KX-U6780A procossor... :crazy:

Too bad to say something :wave2:

[y33H@]

Why should I always include them?

[Tralalak]

:idea:

Small cores...

[y33H@]

Zhaoxin is a niche, so I don't put them in every article/review.

[Tralalak]

Not to everyone. But logically only in two reviews with small cores:
https://www.golem.de/news/funhouse-a9-9820-im-test-wir-haben-einen-xbox-one-chip-als-pc-genutzt-2106-157636.html
https://www.golem.de/news/jasper-lake-atom-im-test-intels-kleine-cpu-kerne-sind-schneller-als-gedacht-2108-158364.html

But we are spinning in a circle. ;D

Never mind.
That's why I'm here and I'm substituting all of you. :wave2:

[y33H@]

I still have to see the "big" cores from Zhaoxin in action =)

[Tralalak]

I compared my LITTLE cores Intel Pentium Silver N6000 and Zhaoxin KaiXian KX-U6580 with:


12th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-12900K (8C + 8c 24T 1.7千兆赫（GHz）/5.2千兆赫（GHz）, 1.5千兆赫（GHz）/4.7千兆赫（GHz） IMC, 8x 1.25兆字节（MB） L2, 30兆字节（MB） L3)
Number of Devices / Threads: 1 / 8
Speed: 1.69GHz

Score: 107.08Mpix/s
Multi-Media Integer: 135.88Mpix/s
Multi-Media Long-int: 51.69Mpix/s
Multi-Media Quad-int: 10.23Mpix/s
Multi-Media Single-float: 126.64Mpix/s
Multi-Media Double-float: 71.34Mpix/s
Multi-Media Quad-float: 3.70Mpix/s
source: https://ranker.sisoftware.co.uk/show_run.php?q=c2ffcee889e8d5edd8e1d2e2d3f587ba8aacc9ac91a187f4c9f1&l=en


vs


ZHAOXIN KaiXian KX-U6580@2.5GHz (8C 2.5GHz, 2x 4MB L2)
Number of Devices / Threads: 1 / 8
Speed: 2.50GHz

Score: 104.62Mpix/s
Multi-Media Integer: 159.73Mpix/s
Multi-Media Long-int: 49.66Mpix/s
Multi-Media Quad-int: 10.63Mpix/s
Multi-Media Single-float: 124.01Mpix/s
Multi-Media Double-float: 57.81Mpix/s
Multi-Media Quad-float: 3.98Mpix/s
source: https://ranker.sisoftware.co.uk/show_run.php?q=c2ffcee889e8d5edd8eddde5d4f280bd8dabceab96a680f3cef6&l=en



vs


Intel(R) Pentium(R) Silver N6000 @ 1.10GHz (4C 3.34GHz, 2.42GHz IMC, 1.5MB L2, 4MB L3)
Number of Devices / Threads: 1 / 4
Speed: 3.34GHz

Score 54.08Mpix/s
Multi-Media Integer: 74.50Mpix/s
Multi-Media Long-int: 30.56Mpix/s
Multi-Media Quad-int 4.25Mpix/s
Multi-Media Single-float: 62.28Mpix/s
Multi-Media Double-float: 34.09Mpix/s
Multi-Media Quad-float: 1.87Mpix/s
source: https://ranker.sisoftware.co.uk/show_run.php?q=c2ffcee889e8d5edd8eddde5dcfa88b585a3c6a39eae88fbc6fe&l=en

[ryan]

N 0+8/0+4/0+2
https://twitter.com/KOMACHI_ENSAKA/status/1449292869353705474

Alder Lake-N seems to be Gracemont only without a big core. I think with this generation Intels small core could be a serious alternative for mobile budget devices for light tasks (internet, office) finally. Not sure about Tremont but Goldmont Plus struggled a bit with Windows 10. Gracemont should do fine with ~3.5Ghz ST and a similar IPC to Skylake.

[y33H@]

Hmmm, my understanding so far was that a single P core has to be active all the time.

[Tralalak]

I'm waiting for some Pentium J-Series 1C + 8c / 10T

[iamthebear]

Guess this will simply be the successor to the Atom lineup and will be used for the usual Atom stuff. This will already be a huge step up from previous Atoms.

Also keep in mind that systems using Atom are most of the time not running desktop Windows. It will either be Windows LTSC, previously Windows CE or some small Linux distribution. With realtime applications that do most of the scheduling themselves I doubt big/little will be supported anytime soon.

[ryan]

Hmmm, my understanding so far was that a single P core has to be active all the time.


Pretty sure ADL-N is not a hybrid and they don't have to activate/deactivate any of the cores. It's more a Jasper/Elkhart Lake successor.

[y33H@]

Yeah, that's a good theory ... so far they showed off four die versions, but only P (aka H/U) and S.

[Tralalak]

https://i.imgur.com/4YOX6Te.png
source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnRe7lcKOV8



https://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph17047/126882.png

https://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph17047/126883.png
source: https://www.anandtech.com/show/17047/the-intel-12th-gen-core-i912900k-review-hybrid-performance-brings-hybrid-complexity/9

[Tralalak]

Excellent performance of atom small E-cores Gracemont
source: https://www.anandtech.com/show/17047/the-intel-12th-gen-core-i912900k-review-hybrid-performance-brings-hybrid-complexity/9

[ryan]

12900K E-cores

Cinebench R23 Single= 1110
Cinebench R23 Multi= 8429

From this test: https://www.capframex.com/tests/Alder%20Lake-S%2012900K%20ist%20der%20neue%20Gaming%20K%C3%B6nig



What ST score do you get with Tremont?

edit, nervermind you already tested it here: https://www.forum-3dcenter.org/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=12739508&postcount=9

665 points for Tremont with a boost of 3.3 Ghz. 12900K E-cores should boost to 3.9 Ghz in ST. It's 67% faster with a 18% higher boost. This is a huge IPC boost.

[aufkrawall]

Soll ich mal Gemini Lake gegentesten? For the lulz. :freak:

[Mortalvision]

Aber gerne!

[aufkrawall]

Ist fehlgeschlagen, hat vielleicht zu lange gedauert. ;D

[Mortalvision]

Hrhr ;)

[ryan]

Bei Notebookcheck ist ein N5000 drin, der auf 438 ST Punkte kommt. N5000 kann auf 2.7 Ghz boosten. N6000 von hier ist 52% besser bei 22% mehr Boost, also etwa 30% mehr IPC von Tremont zu Goldmont Plus. Die IPC Sprünge von Generation zu Generation sind wirklich stark von Intels Atom Team. Bin mal gespannt, ob sie das beibehalten können.

[aufkrawall]

4C Gracemont sollte wirklich für alle mobilen 0815-Zwecke locker ausreichend sein, ohne dass das Schneckentempo einen tötet (Win 11 läuft immer noch relativ kacke auf Gemini Lake vs. Linux Wayland). Hoffentlich spuckt die Fertigung genug aus, dass das nächstes Jahr mal was wird...

[BlacKi]

1+4 wird ultramobile schon der hammer sein, und 2+8 wird in laptops auch sicher bombe performen.

[ryan]

Schon 2+8 sollte deutlich schneller sein als TGL-U 4/8 heute bei weniger Verbrauch. TGL-U mit 60W PL2 kann auf 6000 Punkte kommen, 8 desktop Gracemont alleine erreichen schon über 8000 Punkte bei 3,7 Ghz und weniger Verbrauch.

[Mortalvision]

Ja, das mit Atom war doch keine so krasse Fehlinvestition. Sag das mal all den bisher verhunzten Tablets/Laptops. Aber jetzt, nicht schlecht ;D

[ryan]

Core i3-N305 nennt Intel ADL-N 0+8, scores von Geekbench:

https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/17620675

[Tralalak]

Core i3-N305 nennt Intel ADL-N 0+8, scores von Geekbench:

https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/17620675

Intel Core i3-N305 1.80 GHz boost up to 3.78 GHz

1 025
Single-Core Score

4 420
Multi-Core Score

https://i.imgur.com/oM0xoOh.png


Processor frequency in Geekbench 5.4.1
Intel Pentium Silver N6000 1.1GHz @ 3.3GHz (Boost) (https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/8835170.gb5)
Zhaoxin KX-U6580 2.5GHz (https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/8725036.gb5)



https://i.imgur.com/4YOX6Te.png

[Tralalak]

12900KS ECore - 4.0GHz all cores
https://i.imgur.com/WOAiCbC.png





https://i.imgur.com/m8Ju7RW.png


https://i.imgur.com/fj8pY85.png


Only the 4.3GHz "Raptormont" (sorry Gracemont) with 4MB L2 cache per quadcore cluster result is missing...

[Tralalak]

Thoughts on Skymont Slides
source: https://chipsandcheese.com/2024/05/30/thoughts-on-skymont-slides/

[Tralalak]

Intel unwraps Lunar Lake architecture: Up to 68% IPC gain for E-cores, Skymont IPC More Than Raptor Cove
source: https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/intel-unwraps-lunar-lake-architecture-up-to-68-ipc-gain-for-e-cores-16-ipc-gain-for-p-cores
source: https://wccftech.com/intel-lunar-lake-cpu-architecture-deep-dive-lion-cove-skymont-double-digit-ipc-new-thread-director/

[Tralalak]

Intel Details Skymont
zdroj: https://chipsandcheese.com/2024/06/15/intel-details-skymont/

[Tralalak]

Architecture All Access: Live at Lunar Lake ITT: Next Gen E-core Skymont​

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[Tralalak]

Skymont E-core Architecture Explained by Intel Fellow | Talking Tech | Intel Technology

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